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CAROLINE ATWILL MCMAKIN WAS A YOUNGER FRIEND OF EULALIA "SISTER" BOURNE

Joan: When you first met her she must have been at Sasco -did you say she was at Sasco or Sasabe?
Caroline: Sasabe.
Joan: Yeah, Sasabe. No, Sasco is at Red Rock, more out this way.
Caroline: She was at Sasabe.
Joan: Sasabe, at San Fernando School in Sasabe.
Caroline: And I visited her there, and at Sierrita. Most of the time when I knew her, when I started staying at the ranch, she was at Sierrita
Joan: That was after her Little Cowpuncher school,,,
Caroline: After Sasabe
Joan: Yeah, they didn't do a newspaper from Sierrita, I don't know why,
Caroline: Hmm. I don't know why either.
Joan: But they did one from San Fernando school from Sasabe. And so, you went to that school when school was in session, or did you visit her when she was actually teaching there, or?
Caroline: No, it was in session when she was teaching there, and I think she lived in the school…
Joan: Yes.
Caroline: …the schoolhouse. Yeah, I stayed there with her.

CAROLINE'S MEMORIES OF "SISTER" BOURNE

Caroline: She was certainly a hard worker. She was. To get up there on Friday night and work all weekend, and take off and then go to school and work all week - but she loved the ranch.
Joan: She did have a sister I think who....
Caroline: She had four sisters.
Joan: Yeah, but I think one lived with her. Ruby, I think, maybe?
Caroline: Ruby is the only one I knew. Ruby's the one who came to the ranch, and I knew Ruby but I didn't know … I knew Sabrey and Bernice lived in California I think, and the other sister - where she lived, I can't remember. But Ruby is the only one that liked the ranch, and she was the only one that I met, and she came there to the ranch sometimes.

IN HER BOOK, "WOMAN IN LEVI'S" BOURNE REFERRED TO CAROLINE AS ONE OF HER "DAUGHTERS"

"SISTER" BOURNE (MIDDLE) IS PRESENTED WITH LEVI'S CLOTHES BY THE UA PRESS DIRECTOR. THE LEVI STRAUSS COMPANY CONGRATULATES BOURNE ON HER BOOK.

Joan: Then, you were called her "daughters", you four girls who came out and spent time on the weekend
Caroline: Oh, well, that was during the war. During the war we were all dating cadets from Ryan Field... so they were in training there, so they had a fifty mile radius that they did not go beyond, but anyway her ranch was no more than fifty miles. So we would all decide to go to the ranch for the weekend, and then the boys would come in. There were five -there were four - girls and five of the guys. So we would go off for the weekend in her pick-up. So there were, that would be seven or nine of us, plus Sister. So we would just go out for the weekend. And we would just tell her we were coming when she came through town. And she said, "You know, you girls, I wish you'd bring just one that could ride horseback. You bring all these guys that have never seen a horse." (laughs) And so we'd go out for the weekend, and go back with her on Monday morning.

BOURNE SENT OUT CHRISTMAS CARDS WITH HER PICTURE ON THEM.

Joan: how big a person was she? Can you describe what she looked like, and what size she was?
Caroline: Well, she was about the same build I was - we were both very thin -and I guess about my height too.
Joan: Which is about?
Caroline: Ah, about five and a half then. Well, maybe she wasn't as tall as I was, but she was very slender. And uh, I never saw her in a dress. So when I saw the picture, you know that was in the book. Wasn't it "Nine Months is a Year" that shows that picture? I don't know when that was taken - I guess it was taken then - but I never saw her in a dress. She was always very well-dressed, but not in a dress. But she was just the most remarkable person, just, uh, I really did admire her. She could swear and she had a temper.
Joan: We've learned that she had at least four husbands.
Caroline: Yeah, I think there was four, instead of five, because I can't remember any other than four. She talked very little about them - except that Jack Ryland, the last one.
Joan: So she was mostly alone during the years that you went out to the ranch?
Caroline: Oh, yeah, I never knew her when she was married. She kept collecting all these people that came - both old men and young - to help her. But she was a really colorful character. She just had such a big heart, and generous and never had any money 'cause she had given it away to help somebody else. She had to teach to keep the ranch going. The ranch never made any money. She had to buy hay and, you know. It never was profitable. I don't think it ever was. I don't think she ever made money. But she loved the ranch and determined to keep it -at any cost.
Joan: Did you get the feeling she loved teaching as well? Or was that just to make money?
Caroline: Oh, no. She loved it because she loved the children. She loved the children. No, she loved teaching. And they were cute little kids...I bet you could count the children on one hand...They were all little Mexican children. They were good and they loved Sister.

EULALIA BOURNE BELIEVED THAT CHILDREN OUGHT TO BE PAID FOR GOING TO SCHOOL, AND ALTHOUGH STATE LAW REQUIRED IT AT THE TIME, SHE DID NOT OUTLAW THE USE OF SPANISH IN HER SCHOOLS.

EULALIA BOURNE DIED ON HER RANCH IN 1984. SHE WAS 87 YEARS OLD.

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